Who Speculation

[ffutures]

Had a weird idea for the Dr. Who finale - doubt it's right, but I might as well get my speculation in early. LOTS of spoilers, especially if I'm right.



Rose says that there's something a bit off about Donna - she's got a weird time signature. The Doctor says something similar, that she's prone to create new timelines. Her life is also surrounded by weird coincidences that tended to keep her out of danger; on holiday during various alien invasions etc.. There were scenes in Saturday's episode where people kept looking at Donna and half-seeing something about her - it was the time parasite, but maybe that gave them a glimpse of something else.

I can think of one other character in another show whose oddity is signalled this way - Dawn Summers in the Buffyverse. I think that like Dawn she has been inserted into the timeline with memories etc. retconned to give her a back story.

What if her name is a clue - Donna Noble = Donna Lord = Lady Lord? What if she's a Time Lord?

She's a Time Lord, hidden by the same sort of trick used by the Doctor and the Master. She was exiled to Earth to wait out the Time War, then she's going to be used to create a new timeline in which the Time Lords can exist again. Maybe there's another clue in her name - Donna = Madonna - and she is to be the mother of the new reality. Everything in seasons 1-4 has been building up to the final consolidation of apparently random factors that will allow it to happen.

I have no idea how they will resolve it, but I think the clues may be pointing this way. Could she be Romana? The Rani? Some other Time Lord we haven't previously met?

As I said, I doubt that this is right, but it's sure as hell going to be interesting finding out.

Comments

[pete-darby.livejournal.com]

I'm with you on the recreation of Gallifrey (and Skaro, with the now heavily hinted in Confidential and leaked before season beginning Big Bad): I reckon the time war ended in the mutual destruciton of Skaro & Gallifrey because between them they'd screwed up the time lines so bad it was a choice between either Gallifrey, or Skaro and, err, everything else (and that's the doctor's choice right there).

Time Lord... yeah, I can see that, though I would find the re-appearance of known time ladies a major let down (how about the doctor's wife? or ACTUAL daughter?)

I loved the teaser.. reminded me of when Marvel would build up to big issues with "Next issue: EVERYONE! (and we mean, everyone!)"

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

Yes, the daughter is certainly a possibility.

[pete-darby.livejournal.com]

Orrrrrrrrr... what if that wasn't Mrs Saxon picking up the master's ring, but Miss Noble...?

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

Not sure I like that one much, Donna doesn't really have nails like that.

[pete-darby.livejournal.com]

Is it wrong to find it funny that the only reason this frankly bats-arse theory of mine is rejected is the state of Catherine Tate's manicure?

So if Donna is the master and rose is the TARDIS, does that make Jack the embodiment of the sonic screwdriver? All double entendre entirely intentional.

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

I can think of other reasons, but that ones the most obvious. Temps don't have nails that long, they get in the way of typing.

[mr-wombat.livejournal.com]

I vote for the Rani

[zanda-myrande.livejournal.com]

Hm. The ripping off Whedon is blatant enough, but this device doesn't really serve the "aren't ordinary humans just the scrummiest things in the whole of creation?" message he keeps ramming down our necks. If Donna's special because she's special, then she's not special because she's ordinary. If you see what I mean.

It's a thought, though.

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

Well, they're pretty much saying she is special, so ordinary has probably gone out the window.

[booster17.livejournal.com]

The Donna = Romana theory's been around for a while certainly. She's definitely one of the very few companions that the Doctor's let fly the TARDIS.

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

I was thinking of that too, but I'm not sure it's indicative enough to be a real clue. He has let others fly it, after all.

Where does the kitten pic come from - Gridlock?

[booster17.livejournal.com]

Close - the Confidential for Gridlock actually.

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

Of course. Cute kitty.

[soren-nyrond.livejournal.com]

That said, one thing that the "new management" have been pointedly unkeen on (Sarah Jane/K9 apart) is roping in "old-Who" references and making them of singular importance in "nu-Who".

In one of the trailers (on You-Tube) what presume to be Davros talks about the "Children of Time" and my own wild guess would be that there's a critical mass point when the Doctor and a number of his companions come together, which triggers whatever McGuffin situation the BBC-PTB have decided they want to cliff-hang us with for the 2010 season.

That (so far as we know) TW and SJA are still scheduled would imply that their cast-members are pretty safe from disintegration.


If I was going to "vote" for an old thread coming back, it would be the temporal technology from Dalek Master Plan being used (in reverse) to resurrect Davros.

N] A starscape with asteroid field; FX small swirling effect which grows to fill centre screen and then resolves into a dead, scorched planet

N+1] Surface of scorched planet. FX similar swirling effect -- enter Dalek Caan & Technological Dalek (sucker arm replaced with Time Inducer)

CAAN: Activate

N+2] Close up of pile of dust. FX swirling effect (again) -- dust reconstitutes to show lowe rpart of Dalek casing. Pan back to show Davros.

DAVROS: I am restored. The Daleks survive. The Daleks prevail. The Daleks will be avenged. [PAUSE (for him to catch his breath)] Locate the Doctor.

CAAN: I obey

DAVROS: Capture the Doctor.

CANN: I obey.

DAVROS: Exterminate the Doctor

CAAN + Tech Dalek: Exterminate

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

Well yeah, except would modern Daleks still revere Davros, or would they regard him as something horrible to be EXTERMINATED with extreme prejudice.

[the-magician.livejournal.com]

You're not the only one making that speculation certainly ... and some have been wondering for most of this season (though there's a close enough approximation to an infinite number of monkeys out there that just about every possibility has been suggested by someone!)

I too think that the Time Lords are coming back, that there may be a big reset etc.

I think the speculation that the Rose Tyler we've seen recently is actually the TARDIS (or something similar) is interesting, and would explain why it sounds like "Rose" is always talking with her mouth full :-)

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

Oh, I like that one. Still doesn't explain Donna though.

[the-magician.livejournal.com]

I like your idea as Donna being the equivalent of "The Key" and is placed in this timeline as the facilitator of bringing back the TimeLords to battle against the massive Dalek invasion fleet ...

... though we've seen that without Donna, The Doctor would be dead, and it would be a shame if, instead of just being his human conscience, she turned out to be a TimeLord in hiding (see many other fob watch and The Master's ring comments).

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying it's necessarily the most dramatically appropriate answer, it's just the way that these things sometimes seem to come out in the Whoverse.

Wasn't there a Key to Time that was partly in human form in the Whoverse? Yes...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_to_time#The_Key_to_Time

Wonder where Joss got that idea...

[sharikkamur.livejournal.com]

Just what I was thinking when I read the_magician's comment. If the key to time was so powerful that the Black and White Guardians fought over it, perhaps it's powerful enough to recreate Gallifrey and Skaro.

[honorh.livejournal.com]

Donna Noble=Noble Lady. I'm beginning to think it's possible.

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

It's an appealing idea - if it isn't canon, it could maybe be used for fanfic.

[gianna24.livejournal.com]

There aren't that many coincidences in Whoverse. I didn't realize Donna meant Lady until Honorh mentioned it, but that about seals it for me. I don'/t think a character would be named "Noble Lady" if she wasn't a Time Lady. Which I find really cool. It gives me hope that she could get her own spin-off. I'd much rather watch her tool around the universe than Jack and Torchwood. Or maybe she could recreate Gallifrey and spend lots of time politicking and trying to get them not to be self-destructive tools. Lots of potential there.

[blankbadge.livejournal.com]

Hmmm, I like that theory. That's a good one, it fits with the theme of the fires of pompeii episode with her persuading him to go back to save one family.